An Interview with Mitchell May

By Michael Toms on National Public Radio’s New Dimensions Fall 1993

In 1972, at the age of 21, Mitchell May was involved in a near fatal automobile accident. The very best of conventional allopathic medicine could not offer Mitchell any hope of his ever walking on his two legs again. Because of massive injuries, attending physicians insisted that he must have his right leg amputated. They agreed that the young man’s immune system would be permanently and dangerously weakened and that his health and well-being would be severely limited for decades to come.

Mitchell would have none of this negative prognosis. Instead, he began what has become a lifelong search to find the many different methods of alternative healing that may restore an ill or traumatized person to wellness once again.

During this period in 1972, the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) Medical Center where Mitchell was hospitalized, had been conducting a special research project involving parapsychology. In a campus laboratory headed by Thelma Moss, PhD, ongoing experiments and investigations into the extrasensory abilities possessed by human beings were being recorded. One of the major studies was focusing on the apparent ability of some people to recover from illnesses or injuries even when the traditional Western medical community said, “It can’t be done!”

Mitchell May became deeply involved with this laboratory where he met one of its most exceptional and key participants, the healer Jack Gray. Under strict scientific parameters, even when all other medical and scientific methods had failed, Jack exhibited an extraordinary ability to help many ill and injured people to recover their health and well-being. Mitchell learned from Jack how to activate a powerful and natural healing “life force” that dwells within all of us. With Jack’s guidance, Mitchell was able to regenerate his critically injured nerves, bones, muscles and organs to a degree that medical science had said was impossible. His limbs were saved, and today Mitchell May rock climbs and takes regular hikes on mountain trails.

For seven years, Jack took Mitchell under his wing as his apprentice, until the healer passed away. During that time, he taught Mitchell many of the different paths to awakening healing energy. Jack kindled in Mitchell a keen interest in subtle energy, states of consciousness and alternative methods of healing, as well as the beneficial use of unusual natural substances such as plants, herbs and botanicals that have unique nourishing properties. This became the foundation for Mitchell’s intense research into cultivating the power of life force and its healing energy.


Michael Toms: Mitchell, welcome.

Mitchell May: Thank you.

Toms: I’d like to take you back to that time after that accident. What did you feel like? What was happening for you after that accident?

May: Well, at the time of the accident, I wasn’t too aware because of the extent of the injuries. I was actually pronounced dead at the scene of the accident. After cutting me out of the wreckage, they transported me to the hospital. When I regained consciousness, I hovered in and out, near death, for several days. The doctors told me that I would never walk again on my own. Because of the amount of shock and the amount of injuries that I had, it hadn’t really sunk in — what that meant. It wasn’t until my family arrived and the medication started to take a little bit of effect that I realized how serious my injuries were. Every direction I looked, people said, “It’s impossible for you ever to return to the way of life you had before.”

Toms: The doctors really wanted to amputate your leg, right?

May: Yes. They didn’t amputate my leg at the time because the injuries were so severe, they didn’t think I could take any more trauma to my body and to my legs. After about a week at this primary hospital, they transferred me to a major medical center in Nashville, Tennessee, where I stayed for about six weeks, trying to stabilize my condition. My condition was that I had forty fractures, the majority from the hips down. I had several inches of bone below the knee completely gone. All the nerves below my knee were severed, the muscles were gone, the ankle joint didn’t exist anymore, and the knee joint didn’t exist anymore.

Toms: It was pretty severe.

May: Yes. My lungs were punctured. Many of my organ systems were not able to operate, and they didn’t think they’d return to full function again. Then some very serious infections set in given that the wounds were exposed.

Toms: So what kind of time span are we talking about here? Weeks? Months?

May: From the time of the accident, I was in a major hospital for a week, and then six weeks at Vanderbilt Hospital. I deteriorated while I was there: going in and out of coma, going in and out of — essentially dying and having to be resuscitated. Then, I was transferred to UCLA Medical Center. My father is on faculty there. They thought that would be the best place for me to try to rehabilitate and get used to the fact that my leg, or legs, were going to need to be amputated and that I’d have to be in a wheelchair.

Toms: They were talking about amputating your second leg as well?

May: Possibly. Because I was refusing to have my one leg amputated, the infections had become systemic and had gone into my blood system. I had lost a great deal of my vision and my hearing. They said it was going to spread to the other leg.

Toms: So, why were you refusing to have your leg amputated? Did you have a reason why, at the time?

May: That’s a very good question. At the time, I didn’t have any sort of cosmic revelation as to why. I just knew that there was something inside of this experience for me that I needed to get. If I just went along with what other people were telling me – what my life would be, and what I needed to do, I wouldn’t get it. It was at a real turning point in my life. I had been in search of myself prior to that – this was twenty-five years ago — and I was just in the beginning stages of knowing who I was. I knew that there was some secret, some key, inside this whole experience. If I didn’t claim it – own this experience as mine — but simply let others make life decisions for me, I would be missing something absolutely central to my being.

Toms: Was there anyone there to support that decision you were making, refusing the amputation?

May: At that time? No. At that time, I was on my own.

Toms: So it was very courageous. I mean, you were totally surrounded by people saying, “Do this and do that,” and you were refusing to do it.

May: I went with that motive of mine that I needed to inhabit this experience all the way. I left with that to UCLA. They flew me there, in a full body cast from my neck down to the bottom of my feet.

Toms: I think that was the plane ride where they forgot the medication?

May: Yes, it was.

Toms: That must have been the plane ride from hell.

May: That was a wild ride for me. I needed four first class seats. They put me on a stretcher, to make it there. When I got to UCLA, I was met by this whole priesthood, lineage, of orthopedic physicians. As soon as they saw me and saw my condition, they scheduled me to have my leg amputated immediately. And I said, no. That was not the way I wanted this to go. Unless it was actually going to cost my life to save my leg. They were about to get a court order to force me to amputate. They said even if I could save the leg, it would be absolutely useless. It would never be able to bear weight, it would never be able to bend, and so forth. My mother, in desperation, searched for someone to help me. I was in excruciating pain — my nerves were severed and therefore totally exposed to the open air. There was no way of stopping that kind of pain. The name for it is causalgia…

Toms: Just to give your listeners a sense of what this pain is like. If you’ve ever had a toothache, an abscessed tooth, where the nerve is exposed in your tooth — and probably everybody out there listening has had this happen at some point in your life – just multiply it by fifty times, a hundred times, a thousand times. That’s the kind of pain we’re talking about.

May: Twenty-four hours a day. There was no way to escape from it. That was the place where I didn’t know if I could bear it. In that time of desperation, my mother was seeking for someone who could help with the pain. None of the doctors felt there was any hope of assuaging this pain unless we amputated above the injury site. At that time — at UCLA in 1972 – they had a parapsychology lab under the leadership of Thelma Moss. They were working with a man who was a healer named Jack Gray. My mother had no idea what she was opening the door to. She called Thelma Moss — Jack Gray had already told Thelma Moss that she would be getting a call — and he agreed to take it on as a research case for the parapsychology lab. And the orthopedic physicians agreed to take it on as a research case. I had no experience with healing before; I really didn’t know what it was about.

When I was told that this healer was going to come, I sort of expected that some guy in a purple cape was going to show up. In walked an absolutely ordinary-looking man, with some rather intense eyes. One of the first things that I noticed was – when anybody walked by my bed, I would scream in pain as if they were actually knocking into my leg. Everybody just thought I was very sensitive and afraid that they would knock into my leg, but I was insisting that they were actually hitting my leg. When Jack came in, the first thing he did was stop when he got to my leg, and he put out his hands and traced this sort of energy trail that went around my leg. He walked completely around it. He totally recognized that there was this extension of me. Prior to that, no one had noticed that. Then, he walked over to where I was in the bed, and he said to me – he was a very direct guy – he looked at me straight on and said, “Mitchell, you were created in the image and likeness of God. Therefore everything you need is already within you. We can heal this leg. There’s no big deal, no big problem.” When he said that, for the moment — for about a quarter of a second — I totally understood the whole nature of life. And then I lost it, of course. The time spent with him was about regaining that awareness, and letting the healing bloom forth from that awareness with him. He had a lot of tricks up his sleeves to assist me in accessing that space, so that the healing could take place and we could regenerate nerve, bone and muscle in a way that was medically not possible.

Toms: Could you name one?

May: Sure! I could name several. Foremost for me was the use of his hands – either at a distance from my body, or actually on my body. Some people would call that “laying on of hands.” But there was almost a dance to it with his hands. His hands would dance around me in a certain way. He used a lot of light and color. He used sound. He took me into very deep trance states by following his voice through different worlds. All the time, leading me back to myself. All the time, leading me back into my own being. Letting the energy, the life, the essence come forth from me, rather than from him. That was a central theme for him; that the healing would come from within me. It would not come from him. For the first several nights, he would come at six o’clock at night and stay until six in the morning. And then go right to work. And then return.

Toms: He never seemed tired, or drained?

May: No. He was an old timer. He was up in his late sixties by this time. He was just totally on fire all the time. After three days of working at this intense level, I woke up in the early morning and the pain was completely gone. There had been no change in the physiology. The nerves were still exposed, the infections were still there, I still had two and a half inches of bone missing, and yet the pain was gone. The doctors just could not understand this. Jack gave me control of when the pain could come back on. When the doctors were there checking my leg, I could let the pain return so that they could see what was right and what was wrong. And when they would leave, I could click the pain off. I thought that that’s all he was going to do. I thought he’d come for several days for this, and that would be that. But, he kept coming. And we kept working with one another. In our work together, slowly, the nerves began to regenerate. The bone began to regenerate. The muscle began to regenerate. We kept deepening our relationship together. After about three months of time with him, he said that he had been waiting for somebody to teach. He had been doing this healing work for forty-some years, and that if I wanted to, I was the one he had been waiting for. I wasn’t going anywhere. I was sort of a captive audience. And so I said, “Yes,” to that because I knew that that’s really what my life wanted to be about.

Toms: You mentioned clicking the pain on and off. How did you do that? Can you share that with our listeners?

May: I can try to do that. It was a matter of identification. If I identified with just the wounded part of myself, which I call the smaller self, then that’s all that I had access to. When I began to identify with the larger self, then the wounded part became a part of that. But if I kept my awareness in my vaster self, my wounded body wasn’t all that I was. I have found that very helpful for a lot of people I work with who are in tremendous pain, whether it’s from cancer, or from injuries, or migraine headaches, or whatever it is. Where their identification is, is who they are. The story of who they think they are.

Toms: So as your leg started healing, what were the doctors doing? Were they hanging around, still saying, “You still need to get your leg amputated?” What was going on?

May: There were a lot of politics going on. The head of orthopedics refused to treat me any longer. His ego was so offended that we were not going his way, and that here was this uneducated man who came in and was effecting change in me that he saw as impossible. He couldn’t handle that. The head of infectious disease was irate. We were just very fortunate to have found an orthopedic doctor at the hospital who gave permission for this to take place and really stuck by us, even though he did not, at the time, believe in it. Since then, he’s come forward for television about the miraculousness of the case. So we really, in many ways, had to go it alone. They kept saying, though, even though the bone is growing, and even though the nerves are growing, you’ll still never walk, you’ll never be pain free, and so on. Jack’s response was, “Who knows the future? If you stay open to it being absolutely mysterious from moment to moment, then anything is possible. But if your story outlines how it’s going to go, then you have very few possibilities available to you.” That’s been my experience with my own healing and in assisting other people to regenerate, or to heal, or to go further in their life: to take a look at what their story is and what the possibilities are in their story.

Toms: Yes. So how long were you in the hospital?

May: I was in the hospital a full year. In intensive care. It became sort of a meditation cell for me. I was in isolation because I had these rampant infections. I spent an enormous amount of time alone, which was glorious for me because I could practice all the things Jack was teaching me. I could try them. And to me, healing is not so mysterious. Yes, it’s really not so different from other art forms, it takes practice.

Toms: So were you able to walk out of the hospital?

May: No, I wheeled out in a wheelchair. I spent a couple years in a wheelchair.

Toms: That probably made the surgeon feel a little better anyway.

May: I spent about a year and a half in metal braces, and each step of the way I had to relearn to walk. From scratch. I had to crawl. I had to go through this whole evolutionary process. I had to let my body be very creative, because I had certain body parts that were gone – and they’re still gone. Yet I can do whatever I want, and need to do because I learned how to let the creative forces evolve into what was possible, instead of trying to return to what I was. That, to me, is where it gets very exciting in healing, to let the creative adaptation occur.

Toms: So you were in a wheelchair for a while? For a few years? Then you got out of the wheelchair, and you had to teach yourself to walk all over again. So how many years are we talking about now?

May: Oh, probably four, four and a half years. And all the while, Jack was teaching me very intensely. We were inseparable for almost seven years, from the time I began to heal, through my apprenticeship with Jack, until he passed away, about eighteen years ago.

Toms: So where were you at this point, seven years into it? Were you able to walk?

May: Oh yes, yes. I was out doing my thing. I had returned to college and was beginning to work with other people, some who were in circumstances like my own. Even to this day, I feel like I’m still healing. I’m still expanding, and improving and refining certain capacities in my own structure.

Toms: So, besides this remarkable healing process and journey that you went through, other parts of your life changed from what it was before the accident, and I’d like to talk about those. How your life shifted in other ways. Not just the healing of the leg. Can you talk a little bit about that?

May: I’d love to. What the accident triggered for me was that it literally blew me into pieces. In that process – and I feel that happens to everybody in their life at some point, whether it happens emotionally, psychologically, financially; their life is blown apart. It’s in that being blown apart that a whole new world can enter, if you’re willing. I happened to be fortunate, having somebody take me into another world. Because I was, in a sense, dismembered and taken apart, and I had to go into the underworld, really, and to die, and to face a tremendous amount of fear, and pain, and disillusionment, and just being scattered. That process of refinding myself and bringing these fragments back into some type of wholeness, a structure, took many years. I would say that the life of the soul was really responsible for my healing. That’s really what brought me together. There were many tools and techniques that were absolutely critical and valuable, but it blew me open so much that the soul was able to come forward. That’s the dimension that really runs the show in my life now. That’s the dimension that really heals. And that’s the dimension that I have the most interest in, when I’m with somebody else; how do we bring that in so that it’s embodied in the body?

Toms: Do you have a particular spiritual practice that you follow?

May: Yes – however, I don’t follow any traditional path. My life is very much ritualized in that way for myself, from early morning when I arise and sit in meditation for an hour, hour and a half. It’s something I attempt to do all day long: to use my life, itself as my spiritual practice rather than having my spiritual practice, and then getting on with my life and then when my daily life, when my business, is done, getting back to my spiritual practice. That, to me, doesn’t work. My life presents me with enough challenges and dilemmas that it keeps me on my toes and requires me to be very present. And that’s what I like — to be present.

Toms: At some point you decided to leave the city of LA, and Southern California. Where did you go?

May: Where I’m settled now is in the remote wilderness parts of Southeastern Utah, in the Four Corners area. I was on a camping expedition out there, just on a vacation, and I fell in love with the silence, the spaciousness, and the beauty out in the red canyon rocks.

Toms: And you grow your own food?

May: We have quite a garden, and I have a wonderful family out there.

Toms: Do you have electricity?

May: I generate electricity from the sun. I had to figure out how to do that one.

Toms: Do you have a telephone?

May: I do now. For the first few years I didn’t have a telephone.

Toms: Where does your water come from?

May: We have a well, and we collect the rainwater off the roof. That’s how we water the garden. We save our vegetables in the winter in the root cellar.

Toms: So, tell us how a typical day for you now goes.

May: A typical day for me is waking up somewhere around five in the morning. I meditate for about an hour, an hour and a half, and I do some breathing exercises for about twenty, thirty minutes. Then, I work with people from a distance. That’s sort of my prayer time; including anyone who has asked me to assist them with whatever is going on in their life. Aside from the healing work, I have a business that I started; a product called Pure Synergy, that developed out of my healing experience. I was looking to create a natural supplement for myself that would nurture life force. I tried all kinds of commercially available supplements, and I found they didn’t nurture my life force. So I decided I had to create one, and it took me almost fifteen years. I put this special formula together with sixty-two very rare ingredients from around the world. Many of these ingredients have been used for centuries by native peoples for their healing and regenerative properties and to nurture their life force. People have been so hot for this product, that that is what I’ve been doing for the last several years.

Toms: You used to mix it up personally for your friends –

May: That’s right, literally in the kitchen sink.

Toms: But too many of them kept asking for it, right?

May: “Too many” became dozens and dozens, and hundreds and so forth. Now it’s a real business. We have a laboratory and facilities for bottling, the whole works.

Toms: Mitchell, before we began this interview, we were talking about your trips down the Grand Canyon and on the Colorado River.

May: Yes.

Toms: Tell us about that.

May: Well, for me nature is one of the greatest healers and teachers in my life. It totally nourishes me, down to the marrow of my bones. I like to go out for extended periods of time. One of those trips I was on was about four weeks down into the Grand Canyon. You really go down into the intestines of the earth when you’re down there. There’s a particular section down there, we were talking about earlier, called the Inner Gorge. It’s where the rock is completely black. In the fall the sun never shines in there. The rock that’s exposed in there is hundreds of millions of years old. So you feel all these archetypal forces at play in the water, the wind, and the intensity of what formed.

Toms: Can you see the sky?

May: If you look straight up there’s a sliver of sky. Other than that… that’s it. You are back in the womb of the earth.

Toms: Do you find people get claustrophobic in there?

May: Some people start to lose it in there. It’s a very transformative time if it’s skillfully used. I’ve been fortunate; the people that we go down there with want to use the energies of being there for transformation. When you’re down there, a lot of your darkness and a lot of your fear begin to emerge, which, to me, is what healing is all about. It is that willingness to feel whatever is in there that you’ve been avoiding in your life. And in the Inner Gorge, I’ve never seen anybody who hasn’t had that brought out. People are sure that they’re going to break up with their partner — everything was happy before, and all of a sudden — if you continue to go through that, and feel it and experience it, by the time you make it through the Gorge you are reborn. You emerge back into the light, literally — emerge back into openness — and the rock goes from black into red, and it’s a real celebration.

Toms: I bet. How many people were on this trip?

May: On that particular trip, there were about fifteen of us. For about a month.

Toms: So this is not the typical Grand Canyon river run.

May: No.

Toms: It’s a much longer run.

May: Yes. One thing I sometimes do, is to make special trips for people who want to go on transformational journeys out into nature. To use nature as a healing medium, which it absolutely is. It is in my life, and I have seen it be in many other people’s lives.

Toms: Yes. So, you would spend four days in the Inner Gorge?

May: Yes, you don’t have a choice. There’s no escape, no way out. There is a strong energy there.

Toms: I can believe it.

May: To me, most healing is a strong energy. When your life is in need of help, that’s a strong energy. If you will tap into that energy – the very energy that we usually need in healing is already there. We don’t need to go anyplace else other than where it is that needs healing. We just need to liberate that energy.

Toms: So, do you do other things in nature, besides running the river?

May: I do a lot of hiking, rock climbing, enjoying nature. Nature restores my soul.

Toms: So, you create these transformational trips for people.

May: Occasionally we have workshops where we’ll take people out for several days. We might just canoe on a very gentle river. We might go up into the mountains for a while. It really depends on the time of year, what we want to do and what the people want to do.

Toms: However, that’s not the only focus of your life right now. You’re deeply involved with Pure Synergy.

May: That’s correct. I tend to work with the business from early in the morning until evening, and then I work with people. I have a pretty full schedule, a pretty full life.

Toms: Do you sleep at all?

May: When I have the opportunity to, I adore sleeping. These days, three to five hours is a luxurious sleep for me. I’m just at a full schedule right now and will be for some time.

Toms: Does it require someone having to have a healer – be in touch with a healer, or is it possible to heal by being friends with someone? Just to create healing circles among yourselves?

May: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I am not at all necessary for someone to be healed, nor is a healer necessary. I have been so restored and healed by friends, their love, their support, their affection, their care. Or their specific energy directed my way.

Toms: Your journey is quite remarkable. There’s this myth around healing. Somehow we need to find the right person that’s going to heal us, going to make us better. This is particularly true, I think, of those of us who come in touch with life-threatening situations where conventional medicine is not working. Or you’re really looking for something, and it’s like this kind of quest for something else. What I hear you suggesting is that somehow it’s inside.

May: Michael, it’s very sad to me that in our culture, somehow healing has been set up as something very special, separate and ordained. That it’s not just inherent in who we are and it’s just not a part of what is absolutely natural and normal to do. I’m all for that educational process starting much earlier on. Certainly when we learn any kind of skill, it’s often nice to have a guide, or a teacher, or someone who’s sort of been part of the way and they can give us some pointers. But the point is to have our own experience. If a healer has made you dependent on them, that’s not healing to me. The healing is to teach someone to do it for themselves.

Toms: It’s probably because we’ve all been trained in conventional medicine to look for the right doctor and ask, which doctor is going to help me most? I think we kind of transfer that over to complementary medicine and alternative healing in the same way – where we look for the right healer.

May: We do it with everything. You know, we don’t feel that we can do this ourselves. We’ve specialized everything. To make out a healer as if, somehow, they’re extra special. They’re not as human. They don’t have the same life dilemmas that everybody else has, or they know the answer to life. To me, that myth needs to be healed. I’ve never found anybody who doesn’t have as much healing capacity as I do. It’s just that this is my art. And so like a musician, I practice it all the time. But that’s all it takes. I’m not born with anything that anybody else isn’t born with. No.

Toms: One of the things I sense from talking with you is that somehow in your life you don’t make a lot of plans? That you live your life in a way that is more spontaneous, perhaps? Or that you’re trying not to control your life in some way? Can you talk about that?

May: Now you’re onto it. I think in going so deeply into my healing experience, that I’ve found it is the mystery of life itself where the healing takes place and where the thrill of life is. In that unknown place. So I like to leave my life available to go into that mystery. That doesn’t mean I didn’t make plans to fly out to California or to eat supper and things like that. But what happens inside those experiences, I don’t like to plan. And that, to me, is where I try to help people with the healing, Let’s go have an experience, and let’s see what happens. Because life does the healing. Life seems to somehow know what to do. It’s when I interfere with that, and I think I know what to do, that I complicate my life. And so, I love being in the mystery. That, to me, is where the passionate life is.

Toms: I think most of us want to control our situation. We want to be in control. We want to feel like we’re in control. It’s a real challenge to let go in that way.

May: Yes, it is. I feel like the idea in much of the New Age healing today is to think that you can control everything. You know, perfect health, perfect body, and so on. That everything is regimented, and there’s a reason for everything. I don’t subscribe to that myself. The mystery goes everywhere.

Toms: So when you hear this thing about “you create your own sickness” – that kind of thing – you don’t believe in that?

May: I don’t. Certainly there’s an element in that we are participating, but we’re in a relationship here. A relationship with forces beyond what we know. The physical forces, emotional forces, environmental forces, and, I would say, psychic and spiritual forces. To say that we are in control of those, to me, is based on fear. You are afraid of life, so you want to try to control and create everything instead of going and having a relationship and seeing what happens in your life. I believe we can certainly influence, and it’s a very worthwhile thing, to learn how to hold ground, how to influence, how not to let certain forces knock you around, how to use nutrition and so on, how to clear your mind — all of those things. But beyond all that, to attempt to control one’s life, to me, is the ultimate illness.

Toms: I want to go back to your development of Pure Synergy, this nutritional supplement. Did you do a lot of experimentation? I mean, I imagine you did on yourself?

May: Absolutely, for over 15 years.

Toms: Herbs and different things?

May: I spent many years doing exhaustive research on herbs, mushrooms, algae and other superfoods from around the world. I wanted to find those foods that had the most potential to support our health and well-being. Then I spent many years working with physicians and herbalists to refine it further. There was one period of my life where I lived for two years on the preliminary recipe of this formula, just to see what it would do to my state of consciousness, what it would do to my physiology.

Toms: Let’s say this again. You lived for two years just on this powder?

May: Yes. I don’t recommend that. That was in an experimental stage. I used it in a quantity greater than what we suggest. But I was tracking to see what effect it had in my physiology and in my consciousness. So I would know was it exactly what I wanted?

Toms: What’s in it?

May: It is a combination of eleven different, very rare, hand-harvested algae; seven organically grown and spring-harvested cold-dried grass juices; seventeen very powerful and balanced Asian herbs; five rare, pharmaceutically grown Oriental mushrooms; various vegetarian enzymes; organic freeze-dried Western herbs; organic freeze-dried blueberries and raspberries and botanical antioxidants. Not only are the ingredients themselves of utmost importance, but the harvesting and the processing methods are crucial to sustain the vitality, the life force, of these substances. And so, I am very meticulous about our harvesting and processing as well as our ingredients.

Toms: So the ingredients are grown for you? You do the whole process – everything from start to finish?

May: Yes, all of our 62 ingredients are specially planted, grown, harvested and prepared exclusively for us. We have built custom-designed boats, cold-driers and other equipment to make certain the life force is still active when our customers receive the bottled product. Our ingredients come from around the world — Japan, Brazil, Australia, the United States and other countries. It’s quite a process to make it happen. Then we vacuum seal it and bottle it in glass. Glass not only protects the product from oxygen but is easily recycled just about everywhere.

Toms: So Pure Synergy is a supplement that one would use in their daily life to do what?

May: The main focus of this product is really a life force enhancer. It restores one so that their fire, their inner fire, will be developed without any false stimulants or any false energy. The energy builds over time, authentically from within the body. Partly, I started making it available because I couldn’t be with all the people who wanted me to do healing work. So I wanted to offer something to people that could support their health and well-being.

Toms: I want to go back to where you live, in Utah. There are lots of rocks. Tell me about your relationship, and your connection, with rocks.

May: Well, I live at the base of a cliff of solid rock that goes up about a thousand feet. I just love it there. The rock emanates for me. The color is a rich red, so it has that emanation. It has all of this evolutionary energy in it; it has that communication. Rocks move very slowly. Sometimes, my mind moves very fast. And so when I go lay out on a rock, I can tap into the speed of the rock, and my mind slows down. When my mind slows down, I am much happier. When my mind speeds up, I’m not a very happy person because I’m thinking of all the things that I have to do and go and be, and I’m trying to figure out life. When I slow down, life just is. I’m not trying to figure it out.

Toms: The environment you live in is a desert-like environment.

May: Yes.

Toms: Tell us about the desert. I mean, I asked you before this interview how do you get along without greenery?

May: Well, the desert, to me, is absolutely, fantastically alive. It’s just a matter of learning to pay attention to where that aliveness is. Here in California, you see it everywhere. There’s so much lushness. Out in the desert, you need to pay a little more attention. For me, that’s part of what I’d call my spiritual practice. It helps me to learn to pay attention to more and more subtle things, so my senses are very alert. When you see something in bloom, it’s like a treasure. You are in awe of it because it’s rare, and when there’s water in the desert it’s really an oasis. You are so grateful and thankful because without the water, you wouldn’t be able to live. So this relationship develops between you and the natural forces. It’s very easy for me to see how Native cultures developed a system of gratitude for these natural forces and actually thanked them. To me, it’s no different than thanking a human being for having you over for dinner or bandaging a wound. You thank them. Why not thank a tree, or thank a plant or thank a stream for giving you something? I don’t mean necessarily with words, but from the heart. Gratitude – when one offers gratitude – one is healed. Of many things. Then life tends to respond by giving you more. Because I think life feels that gratitude, and likes it. Just like we do.

Toms: We’ve had a guest on New Dimensions, Brother David Steindl-Rast. He’s a Benedictine monk who says his practice is gratefulness. He says that starts when he wakes up in the morning. He’s grateful for waking up and then goes on from there, and he talks about all the small things in life to be grateful for that we sort of take for granted.

May: That sort of leads me into what our story is. Many of us have these stories in our life – that our life doesn’t work, or life hasn’t been fair, and so on. They may even be true. But if that’s your story, that’s how you end up relating with everyone and everything, and so that’s what you get back from life. One of the major things Jack taught me was how to change my story. When I changed my story, my life changed. People started coming into my life who were offering new things because my story included that.

Toms: It’s like changing your worldview. It’s like changing the way the world works.

May: Yes, most of us are not taught how to play with our story. We don’t even know where we got our story from. We just accept it. We live in an era where changing our story is getting easier and easier.

Toms: So let’s imagine for a moment, and we only have a moment or two left to us here in this dialogue, someone wants to change their story. What would be a step to take?

May: Well, the first thing I would take a look at is, what is your story? You can see that by how your life is. If there’s anything about one’s life that isn’t working, then that’s a place where you want to start changing your story. To start, imagine your life as how you would like it to be. And begin to act on that imagination. It can be in just the smallest of ways. When I was not able to walk and I had a cast on, they said my legs would atrophy. In my imagination, I played kick the can. For hours on end. Because as a kid I loved playing kick the can. I played that story out. I played the story that I would be able to play kick the can for the rest of my life. This is one small way. Let your body actually feel it. Not just in your mind; really let the whole kinesthetic body feel whatever it is; the changes that you want to begin to take place in your life. It needs to enter the body. That’s where the juice is, the acting out, the living out in the everyday world.

Toms: Mitchell, thanks for being with us today.

May: Thank you, Michael.

Toms: It’s been a pleasure being with you.

May: Likewise.

Listen to the full interview below.

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